Jerrod Ankenman ([info]hgfalling) wrote,
@ 2008-03-06 15:55:00
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Why I am not an Obama supporter
I got a chance to talk to a few people about politics at ATLARGE this past weekend. I think I'm starting to crystallize some thoughts about what Obama is. Of course, these aren't 100% original thoughts; I read far too many political articles to have 100% original thoughts. But I think that the Obama-Reagan comparison - one he made himself before being bludgeoned about it - is a good one, if not completely accurate.

Reagan was a transformative politician; he persuaded the country in broad numbers that we needed a new direction, that we needed change. His rhetoric was soaring - not in quite the same way as Obama's, but in an effective way nonetheless. And he yanked the country to the right. Obama, I think, is made of some of the same stuff that Reagan did -- to win the hearts and minds of independents and moderate Republicans and pull the country back to the left in a way that will endure beyond his Presidency.

Bill Clinton, for all his virtues and faults, never did this. Clinton was a centrist; the most important achievements of his presidency (NAFTA, welfare reform, even dontaskdonttell) were across-the-aisle bipartisan compromises loathed by the left wing. Bill Clinton pulled his party to the middle. Because he did that, he won. But at the end of Clinton's presidency, the nation hadn't really moved left at all, and the stage was set for George W. Bush's campaign of "compassionate conservatism."

There have been charges leveled at Obama that he is "all talk." I dunno, I've read through quite a number of his policy papers. And I don't see a lack of substance there at all. Now it may be that the campaign has forced him to put substance in places it was lacking previously. If so, that's okay -- that's one of the reasons we have campaigns! I don't see the lack of substance charge sticking. What I see, however, is a set of positions that are basically unoriginal, standard progressive-liberal fare.

I'll just run through a few off his own website: (http://www.barackobama.com/issues/)

Civil Rights
--Pass the Fair Pay Act to combat pay discrimination among genders.
--Expand hate crimes legislation.

Economy
--Tax breaks for working families
--Fight for "fair" trade
--Amend NAFTA

Education
--Fund NLCB
--Create the American Opportunity tax credit

Fiscal
--Reverse Bush Tax Cuts for the Wealthy

There are plenty more, of course. Also, Obama supports a whole bunch of good ideas, as we would expect any politician to. But none of these positions is original; they are stock progressive-liberal positions.

Those of you who read my blog probably have some idea of my politics; hawkish on national defense, conservative on government spending and the size of government, moderate to liberal on social issues. You know, "free speech, free markets, free people." As such, I'm sorta happy that the nation moved right under Reagan. But I am unhappy with the corresponding increase in the power of the religious right throughout the period, the expansion of the power of the executive branch, especially under Clinton and Bush (mostly the latter), and the runaway expansion of entitlement spending.

Now there is one thing about Obama that differs from Reagan, that I think is significant about our polity. When Reagan ran for President, first in 1976 and again in 1980, he embraced the mantle of conservative. Instead of fearing that being labeled a conservative would hurt him, his campaign was more of the tone "I am a conservative. And here's why you should be too." Now for whatever reason - perhaps Rush Limbaugh has something to do with it - neither Clinton nor Obama seem interested in embracing being a "liberal." But that is precisely what they are, and it's sort of unseemly to me that they seem to be embarrassed of the term.

If I were a progressive-liberal - that is, if I favored the expansion of the government's role in things like healthcare and education, higher taxes on the rich and more subsidies for the lower classes, then I would support Obama, because I think that an Obama presidency has far more potential of advancing the progressive-liberal agenda than a Hillary Clinton presidency. There are other advantages to electing Obama as well. Electing a black man President would be great for our country, as a strong sign to our children that we want the old racist ways to fall away. An Obama presidency will be positive for our image abroad, both among our friends and our enemies, all actual handling of foreign affairs held equal.

But I'm not, and so I don't.

Also, this is funny even if it doesn't really tie with my views:
http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com/


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[info]jpmassar
2008-03-06 10:21 pm UTC (link)
Seems a bit unfair to criticize anyone for not having 'original'
positions. I think all the bases have pretty much been covered,
from, e.g., flat taxes to no IRS, to sales taxes, to VATs, to
reversing Bush tax cuts, etc, etc, etc. If it's in any way vaguely
possible, someone has suggested it (along with many ideas that aren't)

Can you create an ORIGINAL idea that would not get Obama (or McCain)
ridiculed? Nuking Japan? Going onto an aluminum standard? Killing
anyone who gets cancer and is a smoker?

I think your position is quite reasonable, but this I don't get.


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[info]hgfalling
2008-03-06 11:36 pm UTC (link)
Right, "original" is probably a poor word to describe individual positions. As you say, lots of things have been suggested. I guess what I mean is "original" to describe a candidate's positions in toto.

Obama seems to be arguing that he represents a new way in politics; that his positions somehow transcend party and politics and that he can usher in an era of bipartisan cooperation on improving the country in ways that we all know have to be done. This scenario would be easier to believe if we could look at Obama's positions and see some kind of mixture of the ideas of right and left, because that would seem to be the kind of platform where there would be bipartisan cooperation, because both sides would be advancing their interests and compromising on the other sides' interests.

But if we look at Obama's positions, they're closer to being copied out of the Daily Kos playbook than they are to being uniquely centrist or uniquely positioned for bipartisan reaching-across-the-aisle. If we elect him, will everyone suddenly agree that the only thing holding back this country is their unwillingness to implement the progressive-liberal agenda? Of course not. In this sense, McCain is a more "original" politician, in the sense that his policies are cobbled out of the ideas of both sides and his right-wing supporters loathe several positions that he endorses strongly.

Clinton, too, is "unoriginal" in this sense. But I don't get the sense from Clinton that she thinks that if she's elected President, her policies are going to transcend partisan politics. I think she's thinking that she's going to have majorities in both houses of Congress. :)

That doesn't mean that being "original" is somehow valuable in and of itself, of course. But since Obama is campaigning so strongly on this idea of transcending partisan politics, I think it's fair to criticize him for such a narrowly partisan platform.

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[info]jpmassar
2008-03-07 12:43 am UTC (link)
I don't think that he claims that his positions transcend party and
politics. What he does claim (in essence, IMHO), is that he will be
able to create a 60-member set of Senators (per important issue) (and hence filibuster proof), by virtue of his ability to listen to the other side, keep their respect, and compromise where necessary, whereas Clinton would not.

Along these lines, he claims that he can 'keep the pressure on' Congress to
pass his legislation by virtue of the grassroots support that he has built
up over the last what will be two years. Whereas Clinton believes that
change comes from the top, he believes (or believes he believes, perhaps)
change is guided from the top, but happens because of pressure and action
from below.

There is certainly evidence to support these propositions (and, I'm sure,
evidence to the contrary).

In terms of platform, I think that he is saying something more along the
lines of there being already a new American majority that (mostly) supports the things he is supporting (ending Iraq War, Health Care, Energy independence, respect abroad, etc) and that he's the person who can best
tap into that and force/cajole Congress to act. If that's bipartisanship,
okay, fine. But as you pointed out previously, it's more of a reverse
Reaganesque effect.


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[info]hgfalling
2008-03-07 02:10 am UTC (link)
Fair enough.

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[info]prock
2008-03-06 11:31 pm UTC (link)
if I favored the expansion of the government's role in things like healthcare and education, higher taxes on the rich and more subsidies for the lower classes

Just to shed a little context here; these are all things that George W. Bush has done during his two terms as President.

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[info]hgfalling
2008-03-06 11:42 pm UTC (link)
I wouldn't vote for Bush either and don't think he did well on any of these things. In fact, I'd cheerfully vote for any of the three candidates in this election left over Bush or any other big-government conservative who comes along. It would probably be better to scrap NCLB than to fund it.

Wait, higher taxes on the rich? I might need to read more. Got a source?

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[info]prock
2008-03-06 11:56 pm UTC (link)
Well, higher taxes for everyone.

That is, unless we default on our debt.

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[info]songmonk
2008-03-07 12:25 am UTC (link)
unless we default on our debt

C'mon, all the cool kids are doing it.

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[info]adbjupe
2008-03-07 12:42 am UTC (link)
Hrm. How does this play out on a per person basis? E.g. Will they all pay the same amount or is this progressive one way or another. If so how does that compare to the current tax distribution.

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[info]prock
2008-03-07 12:46 am UTC (link)
I'm sure most of it'll be paid by income tax, which is progressive, which means the rich'll pay the lions share.

But I'm sure you knew that.

;)

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[info]gunga_galunga
2008-03-07 03:02 am UTC (link)
Not the rich who invested in securitized mortgages. Now they're poor and won't have to pay of the federal debt. How cool is that? Screwed by defaults on loans, so they escape paying off loans. Ah, karma.

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[info]awesomescampi
2008-03-07 03:08 am UTC (link)
More like higher inflation for everyone.

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[info]prock
2008-03-07 03:39 am UTC (link)
Inflation is ggod for those in debt, bad for those who have lots of cash.

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[info]terrencechan
2008-03-07 03:50 am UTC (link)
Excellent, every time I get buried at 200/400, I get to think "take that, inflation!"

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